To Hell and Back
Documentary on Near Death Experiences
Dr. Maurice Rawlings, MD, a heart surgeon, has written a number of books on the death experience and clearly shows from his own practice and from the experiences of his patients, that not everyone goes to the light when they die, where there is total love. Many of his patients, after being resuscitated on the operating table, spoke about hell. [TBN Films]
Now through modern resuscitation methods, bringing the heart back, bringing breathing back, we can now bring a whole population of people back to talk to us about whatís on the other side of death. See what you think about some of these cases that we are going to present. The good ones are a dime a dozen, because people love to tell about the wonderful experience they had after they died and came back.
The Hell experiences are somewhat embarrassing. Itís an F on the report card, a slap in the face from God. We have some cases of people who will tell you about their own hell experiences, so that you wonít have to go where they went. We mainly want to teach you how to restart the heart; restart the breathing, on someone who has recently died. Notice that death is reversible; you have 4 minutes of viable time before the brain cells start dying because of the lack of blood flow, and before rigor mortis sets in.
I have seen 2 deaths, where resurrection was required, something that man can NOT do. We can only do resuscitation, something God has permitted us to do. How many hell experiences, have had a person's conversion and salvation while they were on the floor, and the person then only remember the good experiences? This was not the case in Ronald Reagan (Not associated with X-President Ronald Reagan) He had his little boy with him while going to a 7-11 store, he got into an argument, and there was a bottle broken, and he was stabbed multiple times by his assailant.
===Ronald Reagan ===
The owner of the 7-11 store came over and said that if I didnít get to a hospital, I would bleed to death in just a few minutes. So he took me in my own car to the hospital. When we entered the emergency room, I was barely conscious. As the medical staff began to work on me, I could hear their voices, they were saying, ďWe canít help him. Heíll have to be transported to another hospital. Probably weíll loose the arm.Ē By the time they loaded me into the ambulance, my wife had arrived and went with us in the ambulance. But as they pulled out of the parking lot of that hospital, a young paramedic looked down into my face, and I could barely see I was so weak. He said ďSir, you need Jesus ChristĒ But I didnít know Jesus, I didnít know what he was talking about, so my reaction to that was to begin cursing. And again he stated to me, ďYou need Jesus!Ē
As he was talking to me, it appeared that the
ambulance literally blew up in flames. I thought it had actually blown up.
It filled with smoke and immediately I was moving through that smoke, as if
through a tunnel. After some period of time, coming out of the smoke and
out of the darkness I began to hear the voices of a multitude of people.
They were screaming, groaning and crying. But as I was looking down, it
appeared like a volcanic opening. I saw fire, smoke and people inside of
this burning place. They were screaming and crying, they were burning, but
they werenít burning up, they werenít being consumed. Then I began moving
downward into this opening.
I looked into the face of one man who had died in a robbery attempt, he had been shot and bled to death on the sidewalk. I looked into the face of two others who had died drunk in an automobile accident. I looked into the face of others who had died of drug overdoses, that I once partied with. They showed agony and pain, but I believe that the most painful part was the utter loneliness. The depression was so heavy, that there was no hope, no escape, there was no way out of this place. The smell was like sulfur, like an electric welder, the stench was terrible.
In my life, I had seen people killed, I had been involved in fights where people were killed. Iíve done time in prison for manslaughter. I grew up in a reform school, and in a jail cell. I was beat unmercifully as a child by a father who had temper and alcohol problems. I was a runaway at 12 years old and I felt that there was nothing in this world that could frighten me. My life was wrecked, my marriage was wrecked, my health was wrecked. But now I was seeing something that scared me to death, because I didn't understand it. And as I am looking into this pit, this place of fire, screams and torment, I fade out into blackness.
When I opened my eyes, I was in a hospital
room in Knoxville, Tennessee with my wife sitting by. There had been
multiple stitches put into my body, my arm was spared. I had almost 100
stitches. I looked into the face of my wife. I wasnít concerned
about where I was, or anything around me. All I could visualize was what I
had just seen.
One morning, several months later, I came home to where my wife was. I had been trying to get drunk, but I couldnít. When I walked in the house and went back to the bedroom, the light was on. My wife was sitting up in bed, and she had a large book open on her lap. She looked up at me and her face was literally shining. And she said, ďRonny, tonight I accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my savior,"
She didnít have to say a lot to me, our life had been filled with agony. She grew up in Chicago; her father was a bartender on the South side of Chicago. She knew nothing about God, or church or religion. The pain showed on her face, the wrinkles that I gave her from my abuse, violence, alcoholism, and drug addiction. Sometimes I would be gone for months of time, and she and the kids would have no idea where I was. But now her face had changed. The wrinkles were literally gone, a smile had replaced the sorrow and agony. She looked at me and said, ďJesus saved me tonight. Would you go with me and hear about this man called Jesus.Ē I thought to myself, ďI tried everything else in life, nothing has worked for me. The people I love the most, my wife, my children, Iím terrible to them." So I agreed to go with her.
A couple of weeks later on a Sunday morning, November 2, 1972, just before 12 am, a minister stood to read from the bible. I was sitting in the back of the building, I didnít know anything out of the bible. I didnít know how to act at church. But the minister stood to read from the bible, and he read from the Gospel of John. He began to read these words ďbehold the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.Ē When he said ďthe LambĒ he had my attention. Any other passage wouldnít have meant anything to me, but when he mentioned ďthe LambĒ he had this hard hearted sinnerís attention.
Because when I was 9 years old, a very poor child in the mountains of eastern Tennessee, with a father who only knew anger, abuse and alcohol, a neighbor had given me a baby lamb. And I had to walk two miles to catch the school bus. One day coming through her yard she stopped me and said, ďSon I have a gift for youĒ and she showed me this baby lamb.
I took that lamb home with me, it was my friend, the only friend I felt like I had. It was such a friend, in the days and weeks to come it followed me, and it would meet me when I got off the school bus. It came walking through the woods and fields to meet me.
One evening as I came home, the lamb was missing. I heard my father cursing and screaming, he was working on an old model car, changing a flat tire by hand, the old way. I tried to walk around him because I didnít want to be cursed. I tried to bypass him, but when I got on the other side of the car, I looked down and there was my lamb with blood all over the white wool. There was a tire rod sticking in its body.
The lamb had come around just wanting to be curious, and in a drunken fit of anger, my father had plunged the tire iron through that lamb.
When I saw my lamb, my friend, dead, I began to scream. I ran into the woods screaming, ďheís killed my lamb, heís killed the lamb!Ē
At 9 years old, hatred and violence took over my life, possessed my life. From that point on, I was never ever the same. By 12 years old I was a runaway. I was in the Juvenile system, arrested time after time. I had no respect for authority. I hated anyone that represented authority over me. By the time I was 15 years old, I had been in Jail for car theft, for stealing. At 15 years old I was sentenced for manslaughter; being involved in a car accident that had killed some and left others crippled. At that time I wondered if life would ever hold anything for me.
But when that minister mentioned ďThe LambĒ he had my attention. He said that Jesus Christ was Godís lamb, and He died and shed His blood so that whosoever wants to, can have a new start. They could be forgiven and start over.
That morning, as I stood to try and leave the building, I thought, ďI donít want anybody to see me cry. I haven't cried since I was 9 years old. Iím not afraid of any living thing on this Earth, and no one is going to see me cry."
I turned to leave, but instead I started down the aisle toward the front of that building. I didnít know the sinners prayer, I didnít know the Roman road of salvation. But my prayer was this, ďGod, if You exist, and Jesus, if You are Godís lamb, please, please kill me or cure me. I donít want to live anymore, Iím not a husband, Iím not a father, Iím no good.Ē And at that instant, it was like the darkness and the blackness left my life. Then the tears began to flow and for the first time since I was 9 years old, the tears did run. The guilt left my life, the violence, anger and the hatred left my life. And Jesus Christ became Lord and savior of my life that morning.
After that wonderful morning when I gave my
life to Jesus Christ, I didnít know what would
happen. God healed my mind, my memory, the drug addiction; the alcoholism
was instantaneously gone, delivered. And from that moment I knew I had to
tell the story of what had happened to me. My life was only spared to tell
others about the place that I had seen, and the hope of Jesus Christ to save
mankind from this terrible fate.
=== OBE & NDE ===
But Out of Body Experiences and Near Death Experiences are entirely different. Near Death Experience are like if I hold a gun up to you and say ďgive me your money.Ē You may get scared to death (a near death experience), but you donít get anywhere near dying. Almost near car crash accidents, are near death experiences, but there is nothing involving stopping the heart beating or stopping breathing. And yet, most of the authors that write books on this subject are including OBE and NDE without clinical death. We are just investigating clinical death, where people actually die and come back to life.
Now Out of Body Experiences is a way to get there without dying. How would you like to find out what death feels like, without dying?
There are many ways of getting out of the
body, to experience life beyond the body, separating the spirit from the body.
This is the definition in the Bible, when the spirit separates from the body.
But we are talking about a permanent separation, not a man-made separation.
And we are not talking about NDEs or OBEs, we are talking about clinical
death. This is where the great majority of people have true
=== Charles McKaig ===
One of the cases is Charles McKaig, a 57 year old mail carrier. He was having chest pains. We took him to the office; put him on the tread mill, until he got his chest pain again. He was attached to an EKG. (Electrocardiogram/heart monitor), the EKG went haywire. We knew he had chest pains, but before we could stop the machine, he dropped dead.
But when he dropped dead, he had a very
peculiar situation. He convulsed like most people do when they first die
and the heart stops providing blood to the brain. His eyes rolled up, he
turned blue, he stopped breathing. The nurse started an IV and I started
an external heart massage. The strangest thing happened, when I stopped
resuscitating to put in a pace maker.
My life was very normal, I partied a lot. I had joined a church at a young age, because of my parents. I really didnít realize what church was about, or what accepting Christ was about.
Early one morning at work I had walked to the local clinic in my hometown. At that time I thought I might be having a heart attack. So then I met Dr. Rawlings. He kept me for about 3 or 4 days. And then he gave me a stress test. I remember while taking it I felt like I really wanted to get off, and that was the last thing I remember of that.
When I came to, Dr. Rawlings was giving me CPR, and he asked me what was the matter, because I was looking so scared. I told him that I had been to hell and I need help! He said to me, ďkeep your hell to yourself, Iím a doctor and Iím trying to save your life, you need a minister for that.Ē As he was giving me CPR, he was trying to install a pacemaker with the other hand. And I would fade out every so often, so then he would focus CPR again and bring me back.
I was soon floating in the air, watching what was going on, looking down. Whenever I would come back to my body, I kept asking, ďPlease help me, please help me, I donít want to go back to hell.Ē Soon a nurse named Pam said, ďHe needs help, do something!Ē At that time, Dr. Rawlings told me to repeat this short prayer. ďI believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Jesus, save my soul. Keep me alive. If I die, please keep me out of hell!Ē
After that, the other fading out experiences were very pleasant. I saw my stepmother, my mother. My mom passed away when I was about 5 months old. I never saw a photograph of her. My stepmother passed away about 10 years ago. I did not have any contact with them. All I could remember was that they kept their hands reached out to me.
Iíve heard it said that you couldnít carry money with you, and when I was with my mother and stepmother, I saw they had no pockets. I know that sounds weird but I was trying to remember everything I saw.
After that, I remember walking down a lane that had colors on both sides, brilliant colors. I had a little experience in Art, but nobody, not ever Rembrandt could reproduce those colors, they were so bright. There was this light that surrounded me, I believe it was the Holy Spirit. It surrounded me and took care of me. Iíve never felt so good and so safe in my whole life.
Most of you can tell the difference between simple fading, clinical death and biologic death. Take the case of Charles McKaig. He was on the treadmill and I could tell that he was in clinical death. He had a startled question on his face, he was about to ask the question and was looking dumbfounded at me. As he was walking on the treadmill I noticed that his heart had stopped and his breathing has stopped. He was still walking and talking for a minute or two before the lack of blood to the brain caused him to drop dead. He was dead and didnít even know it. I should have told him.
Soon we started clinical death treatment, CPR. We started the heart up again, we started the breathing again and he came back. This was clearly clinical death. Now biologic death would have occurred if 4-6 minutes time had passed after clinical death. Because of the lack of oxygen to the brain, the brain cells die; they are the most sensitive cells in the body. Then rigor mortis sets in and the person becomes stiff as a board. And now we need resurrection, only God can do resurrection. We can only do resuscitation. Something we are permitted to do.
=== Howard Storm ===
Howard Storm was an art a literary professor who was in Paris with his class, when he suddenly had a stomach rupture, ulcer rupture, peritonitis, shock, sudden death, clinical death, resuscitation, and hell experience.
A doctor came and got an ambulance because he knew what was wrong. The ambulance took me 8 miles across town to a public hospital. I was then taken into the emergency room and examined by 2 more doctors, who knew exactly what was wrong with me. Then I went into surgery.
But because there was no surgeon available, I was just parked there to wait. So I lay there for 8 to 10 hours in that hospital with no medication, no examination, no attention what-so-ever, waiting for a surgeon to come and give me a critical operation.
Now it 8:30 at night and a nurse came in and told me that they were very sorry that could not get a doctor for me and that they would get one the next day. When she said that, I knew it was over for me, I knew I was dead. The only thing keeping me alive was that I didnít want to die. I knew I was an atheist, a non-believer, a person who lived for their own gratification.
Next to the pain, dying was the worst thing that could happen to me because it was the end of life, and there was no more, nothing else. But when she told me that no surgeon was available until the next day, the idea of trying to exist for another minute or another hour with this pain was not worth it anymore. I had been hanging on in the hopes that they would get a doctor and do the surgery, open me up and fix the problem. But when they said they could not get a doctor, I said to my wife that is was time for us to say good bye because Iím going to die now.
So she got up and put her arms around me, she told me how much she loved me and I told her how much I loved her, it was really sad. We made our good byes. We said those things you say after youíve been together for 20 years.
She finally sat down because she knew it was over, and I knew. It was so hard looking at her crying like that, so I closed my eyes and just let go. I went unconscious. I was probably unconscious for only a short while, a few minutes probably.
Then I was conscious again. I opened my eyes and looked and I was standing up next to my bed. I knew exactly where I was, and what the situation was, there was no confusion in my mind. I felt alive, more real than Iíve ever felt in my life. People asked me, ďwere you a ghost?Ē I was just the opposite, I was very alive.
As I am looking around the room, I notice that there is something underneath the sheet on the bed, a body. So I bent over the bed to look at the face and it looked like me. But that wasnít possible, Iím alive, Iím great, Iím more than alive. So I tried to talk to my wife, but she couldnít hear me or see me. I thought that she was just ignoring me. So I got very angry at her, for ignoring me.
So Iím screaming and yelling at her, ďWhy is there this body in bed that looks like me? How did it get there?Ē I had a sneaking suspicion that the body was me, but that was too scary to think about. So Iím getting really agitated and upset, because this is all too weird. This canít be happening, itís impossible; I got a hospital gown on, and everything is very real.
I hear people calling for me outside the room, speaking in soft gentle voices. ďHoward, you need to come with us now. Come quickly, come out here.Ē So I went to the doorway of the room. There are people outside in the hallway. The hallway is dank, itís grey, not light or dark, itís just grey. All these men and women dressed in grey, in what might be considered hospital uniforms. I asked them if they were from the doctors to take me to the operation room. I told them all about my situation and how I have been waiting. They keep saying, ďWe know, we know, we understand. Howard come quickly, come with us, weíve been waiting for you.Ē
I left the room which was really clear and bright, and I went into the hallway which was dank and hazy. I followed these people; we had a very long journey. There is no time, and when I make a reference to time, itís just an illusion because there was no time in this place. But this place, if I was to recreate it, I would have to walk from Nashville to Louisville (175 miles, 281 km) to recreate the walk with these people.
As we walked they stayed around me, kept moving me on, and it kept getting darker and darker. They were becoming more and more openly hostile to me. At first they were syrupy sweet to get me to go with them. Then when I was going with them they said things like, ďhurry up, keep moving, shut-up, stop asking questionsĒ It got more ugly.
So we get into complete darkness and Iím absolutely terrified. These people are very hostile and I donít know where I am. I said, ďIím not going with you any further.Ē They said, ďYouíre almost there.Ē We started to fight and I was trying to get away from them. They were pushing and pulling at me. There were now a lot of them. Originally it had been a handful, now with the darkness it could have been 100s or 1000s, I didnít know.
They were playing with me. They could have destroyed me if they wanted to, but they didnít want to. They wanted to inflict pain on me, because they derived satisfaction out of the pain that I experienced. Itís really hard for me to talk about, and I wonít tell you much about it; it gets too ugly. Initially they were tearing with their fingernails, scratching, gouging, ripping, and biting. I was trying to defend myself, trying to fight them off and get away from them but it was like being in a bee hive, there were hundreds all over me.
Soon I was lying on the ground; all ripped up with pain everywhere, inside and outside. Even harder to bear the physical pain was the emotional pain, with utter degradation. I never once felt that it was unjust or wrong.
I heard my voice, not someoneís voice or the voice of God, it was my voice, but I didnít speak it. Maybe it was my conscious, I donít know, but I distinctly heard it say, ďPray to God!Ē So I thought to myself, ďI donít believe in God.Ē I was thinking, ďeven if I could pray, I donít know how to pray anymore.Ē
At that time, I havenít prayed for about 23 years. When I was a child, we said prayers in Sunday school and Church. I was trying to remember them. To me, praying was just reciting something that I learned.
ďThe Lord is my Shepherd, give us this day our daily bread, my country tisí of thee. Wait, thatís not a prayer. Yea thou I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, for score and seven years ago our forefathersÖĒ Iím getting all mixed up, I canít remember how to pray.
Every time I would mention God to these people that hurt me, it was like throwing boiling water on them. They would shriek, scream and yell. They would use the worst profanity I had ever heard in this world. They could not bear to be around me talking about God. It was so painful for them to hear about God that they kept backing away. So I had a sense that I could push them away by talking about God. So I am trying to remember prayers, but I was getting confused and mixed up.
Eventually I realize that they are gone and Iím alone. I was alone there for an eternity, what I mean was that I had no sense of time. But I thought about my life, I though about what I had done, and what I hadnít done. I thought about this situation I was in. The conclusion that I came to was this, my entire adult live was selfish, and my only god was myself. I realized that there was something terribly wrong with my life, and that the people that attacked me were the same kind of people that I was. They were not monsters, nor demons; they were people who had missed IT. The point of being alive in this world, they had missed it, they had lived lives of selfishness and cruelty. And now I was in a world where there was nothing else; nothing but selfishness and cruelty. They were doomed to inflict that upon each other and themselves forever, without end. And now I was a part of it.
Though I didnít want to be there, it seemed like the right place for me to be. I felt that this is what I deserver, because this is how I lived. You canít imaging how emotionally painful that was. Iím lying there for time without end, thinking about my fate.
In the back of my mind comes up an image of myself as a child, sitting in a Sunday school class, singing Jesus Loves Me. ďJesus loves me, la la la, Jesus loves me, la la la.Ē I could hear myself as a child singing it. More important than anything else was that I could feel it in my heart.
There was a time in my life when I was young and innocent and I believed in something good, I believed in someone other that myself. I believed in someone who was all good, all powerful, who really really cared about me, and I wanted that back. That which I had lost, I had thrown away, I betrayed, I wanted that back. I didnít know Jesus, but I wanted to know Jesus. I didnít know His love, but I wanted to know His love. I didnít know if He was real, but I wanted Him to be real. There was a time in my life where I did believe in something, and I wanted to trust that it was true.
So I call up into the darkness, ďJesus, please save me!Ē and He came. First there was a tiny little spec of light in the darkness, vary rapidly it got brighter. The light became so bring that in the physical world it would have consumed me. It would have fried me to a crisp. But it was not hot or dangerous there. He was in this light and he reached down and gently started to pick me up.
In His light I could see that I was all gory, filthy and had wounds all over. I looked like road kill. He was gently putting His hands underneath me and tenderly picking me up. As He was touching me, all the wounds, pain and dirt just goes away. It just evaporated away, and I was whole and healed. And inside, just filled with His love. I wish I could explain it. Itís frustrating not being able to tell people about it because it was the best thing that ever happened to me in my life, it was everything. It was the ALL of life to know that love, and I just can't reveal that to you.
So Heís holding me, embracing me, rubbing my back, like a father would his son, like a mother would her daughter, just gently rubbing my back. I am balling like a baby out of happiness; from being lost and now found, being dead and now brought back to life. Heís carrying me out of there, and we just flew out.
We were moving towards a world of light, and I began to have thoughts of tremendous shame. Iíve been so bad, I thought of myself as dirt, garbage and filth. I thought to myself, ďHeís made a mistake, I donít belong here, He doesnít want me.Ē How could He care about me, why me, Iím bad.
Then we stopped, we werenít in hell, we werenít in Heaven, we were in-between. He said, ďWe donít make mistakes, you belong here.Ē We began to converse and He was telling me things.
He brought over some angels who went over my life from beginning to end. They showed me what I had done right and what I had done wrong. And it was really simple. When I had been a loving kind person, considerate of other people, it had made the angels happy, it had made Jesus happy, and they let me know that it made God happy. When I had been selfish and manipulative it made the angels unhappy, it made Jesus unhappy, and they let me know it made God unhappy. What they were trying to convey to me, in a nutshell, was that my whole purpose of my existence was to love God and love my neighbor as myself. That is why I had been created, that is what I was in this world to do and to learn. But I failed.
They told me that I needed to come back to this world, and I got really upset because I wanted to go to Heaven. What they told me about Heaven was that it was the most fun, most interesting, and most wonderful place. Everyone would want to go to Heaven and I wanted to get there. They said that I was NOT ready, that I wasnít fit, it wasnít my time to go to Heaven. It was my time to come back to this world and try and live the way that God wanted me to live, the way He created me to live.
I told Jesus and the angels that I couldnít live in this world without them. I said that my heart would break if they sent me back to this world. Theyíd be there and I would be here. They said to me, ďYou donít get it? What is the matter? We are showing you all this. Weíve always been there. Weíve been with you all this time. And youíve never been alone down there.Ē
I said, ďYouíve got to let me know that you are around once in a while.Ē So they said if I prayed and confess my sins to God, if I give what I had to God, meaning to give my worries, cares, hopes, and my dreams, just give it all up to God, then there would be times when I would know in my heart that they are there. Not necessarily seeing them, but I would feel the love like I felt then. I told them that if they will assure me that there are times when I can know that love, then I could live in this world. They said they would do that, then they send me back.
After the experience, the nurse whoíd said that they couldnít find a doctor, she ran back to the room and said that a doctor has arrived. at the hospital which is like this is pretty miraculous stuff because this is like around 9 or 9:30 at the night. She said ďthe doctor has arrived at the hospital and we are going to do surgery on you right away.Ē And some Ö people came in and they through my wife out of the room. It is very disturbing because I was trying to tell them I wanted to tell my wife what had happened to me. So when I pass my wife on the hall on the path to the surgery, I said everything is going to be great. And she just started thalling(?) Ö, that is like a dying man. Strange thing about this experience is the memory hasnít dull at all. It is real tense and I donít know it stays tense. I believe one of the reasons that God gives me this experience is that I would have the opportunity to share it with someone. I donít know who and I never know who. But I would have the opportunity to share with somebody so it could be a help to them.
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Volunteers are going into hospitals, to visit our loved ones, with the New Age message. It is called the religion of the ending years, the religion of near death experiences. ďLook, I went to heavenĒ, they tell the patient that is dying, ďI saw the light and I came back. All is well. There is no accountability, there is no hell. Heavenís gates are open wide for everyone who dies. Look at me. I am an atheist and I am here. You donít have to worry. Death is nothing to be feared. I am going to stay with you. Your family is too afraid to stay with you while you are dying, but I'm not. Let me hold your hand. Let me tell you about this glorious thing that are coming to get you, this beautiful light at the end of the tunnel where there is no worry, no loss, only gain. You are acceptable as you are. There is no heaven, there is no hell. It is eternity for all." This is the new age philosophy called the Omega Faith, where everybody goes to heaven. There is a group of these people coming into our hospitals, consulting the dying, instead of our church groups consulting the dying.
Ministry to the dying is the most neglected ministry of all. Nobody wants it. Everybody is afraid of a dying patient. And the dying patient wants to know what dying is all about. Does it hurt? Is there a life after death? Is there a Heaven and a Hell? How can I make sure that I am going to get to heaven? And you can tell them it is a free gift. You can tell them how to get it. But if we donít defend ourselves against the Omega faith, who are infiltrating the hospitals now with a faith that is deadly, then we are going to lose our own Christianity. The patient will die naked without any faith at all.
=== Dr. Donald Whitaker ===
Our next case is of Dr. Whitaker who is still
in practice, but was atheist at the time of the incident. He had nothing
to do with God, but there was a situation that changed his life. Weíd like
you to experience it with him.
They were having a TV special on the west coast. Hoight (a friend) had called me and asked me if I would like to go. I told him that I would love to, because I knew there was going to be a lot of booze, and partying. While they were doing their special, I was doing my thing.
After about three or four days out there, I became ill. I had severe pain in my abdomen. I flew into Oklahoma city, called a senator friend of mine, and asked him to send a car for me because I was sick. They sent a car and took me home. And I checked into Whatley hospital in Texarkana, Texax in February of 1975. I checked in with electrolytes, which means that the chemicals in my body were so far out of balance that they had to give me IVs to build me up.
At that time of my life, I was atheist. I was hard core atheist and was living for myself. Atheists are self centered, they live for themselves. This is where I found myself in 1975 in my hospital.
After 3 days they operated me. Later, I found myself in the intensive care on a respirator, which means it was breathing for me. I couldnít speak. Iíve been there in a comma. I heard these people talking about how sick I was and how I was going to die and how I wouldnít get out of the hospital. At that time my hair was very long because I just wore my hair long. And I heard one guy say, ďMy, his hair is long.Ē And another guy said, ďNot nearly as long as it is going be before he gets out of here.Ē And the third voice said, ďHe's not going to get out of here. He's going to die.Ē
And after 3 days, I could breath on my own. I remember my doctor, my surgeon, Dr. Donald Dunkon said to me, ďDon, if you have anything to get right, if you have anything to get signed, you get it done because we are not sure how long you have.Ē
I knew I had a condition which is that was called Acute hemorrhagic narcotic pancreatitis. You donít live with this disease. You could live with pancreatitis. You could even live with Acute pancreatitis, but you do not live with Acute hemorrhagic narcotic pancreatitis. Dunkon had told my two sons that I would be dead before morning. They didnít expect me to survive.
I was laying there, a professed atheist. I didnít believe in God. I believed in the power of the universe because Iíve seen it. As a physician, Iíve dealt with life and death. I believed in something, but donít talk me about God. And surely donít talk to me about resurrection, virgin birth or these type of things because I am in research and science. The Majority of PHDs in research and science donít believe in God. They do not believe a supreme being. They are beginning to believe there is an order in the universe because the further along we go, we see the order.
It is very easy to be an atheist when you are successful. You have worked your way from Oklahoma welfare to be one of the most powerful men in your part of the country Ė one of the most powerful men in the state of Oklahoma, politically. It is very easy to be an atheist when you have done all of that. A man could sit back and say "I donít need God. What is God?"
But it is very difficult to be an atheist when you are lying on the death bed, because you began thinking "what if these people are right?" There had been one man named Ron Short, that stood between me and the gates of hell. One man had witnessed to me about the love of Jesus for 5 years, before I became ill. I would debate him and I liked him, because he did what he said he was going to do. He was the only one that I saw that profess to be Christian and lived what he said he was going to do. I really respected him. I didnít believe what he said but I respected him.
When I was lying on my death bed and knowing that I was going to die, guess who I thought about? I thought, "what if Ron is right? What if there is a Heaven and a Hell." Almost immediately the most pressing thought in my mind is how do I get saved. What is saved? How do I get saved?
So I sent people out to get Ron Short. I wanted him to come down because I wanted him to do whatever he had to do. I had no idea how a man hanging on a tree in Israel 2000 years ago could save me. What is that to me? But I knew he had something that I had to have. That night Ron wasnít home, he was in Alabama. So I had people go and get Ron.
That night was the longest night that Iíve had in my entire life, before or since. As I am laying there in bed, I had begun to fade away into darkness. It was so, so dark. It was like the darkness just penetrated into your very being. I can tell you that I left my body because I remember coming back into my body. I donít know where I was out of my body.
There are people that talk about a light, or floating above, a feeling of warmth or love. I didnít feel any of that. I felt none of that. I felt untold terror, untold terror. I knew that if I went all the way, if I slipped all the way, I would never get back. In my being of beings I knew that. So I fought all night long.
They told me later on that I not only pull the mattress cover off the mattress, I put the mattress upon me. I had to stay, I had to wait till Ron got there. Whatever he had to do, I had to wait.
But again when I would leave my body, I would be going down into deep dark terror. My skin began to get cold. Not the kind of cold you feel when you walk out in the air, no, this was bone chilling cold. And I could feel the coldness began to come up my legs.
Again I would begin to leave my body and would be in the darkness, in that void. I remember one time entering back my body, I felt my body thud, my physical body thud. Believe me, believe me, that was the most horrifying terrifying experience that I had ever encountered.
I fought all night long. The next morning around 9:30 or 10 oíclock, Ron came in. He said, ďDr. Whitaker, what do they say are your chances?Ē I said, ďRon, they tell me I have none.Ē He said, ďNow is the time.Ē I said, ďYou're right.Ē
Before, I had cursed him, I had spit on him, but now it was the time because I had to have whatever he had. I had a short period of time left on earth and I didnít have any idea when I might make that trip and go all the way.
At that time Ron simply led me in a sinnerís pray. I had no idea what a sinnerís prayer was, but I trusted Ron. He led me through the sinnerís prayer and told me that Jesus had died for my sins. He had died for the sins of the world. I didnít quite understand that. He showed me in the word of God where that was written.
You have to understand that I am a man of books. Iíve spent big part of my life, 25 or 26 years of life in books, all types of scientific books. I have degrees in Chemistry, all the way up to medicine doctor to practical medicine.
He told me and I believed him because it said so in this book. It was a new book to me, it was called Bible. I had Ron lead me, and I said the sinnerís prayer. I can tell you one thing, there was a peace that came over me like I have never known.
Iíve searched for that peace in the bottles, alcohol, needles, drugs, and women. Iíve searched for it in all type of places. But there was no peace in my life. But once I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior, I was no longer afraid. I still believed I was going to die because I knew the condition I had, and you donít survive it. I knew that, I am a physician. I knew what I had you did not survive.
Ron showed me in the word of God where it says, ďThese signs shall follow those that believe. They shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.Ē (Mark 16:18) I walk around on planet earth this day, taking no insulin, taking no enzymes, eating whatsoever I want, and everyday God produces in my body the correct material for me to function without having to take medication.
you see blind eyes open, you see the cripples walk, you see the leprosy
cleansed, and you see them with your own eyes, then it doesnít take a rocket
science to figure out that Bible is true.
=== Dr. George Rodonaia ===
Most of it is flame. Seeing the angels of light can be deceptive in some cases. For instance, 2 Corinthians 11:14, it tells us that even Satan can change himself into the angel of light and deceive many. Which light did these people see at the end of the tunnel, especially if it was someone that didnít think they deserve to be in Heaven? Those things do occur.
Strangely enough the opposite does not occur. Those that saw themselves in Hell knew exactly where they belong. And there was no question why they were put there. In fact, Christ talked about this Himself in Mathew 25. Jesus also said that if Satan cast out Satan, how would his kingdom stand? (Mathew 12:26) Meaning, why would Satan show people that there is a Hell, that would work against his kingdom and his lies. No, impossible. As an angel of light, Satan can deceive many. But this variation that they see in Hell, whether it is total darkness or whether it is fire, both are places where they never want to visit again.
This brings us to the case of Dr. George Rodonaia, a young Russian fellow, very intelligent. He came with a Ph.D and an M.D, but had trouble with KGB. He couldnít get out of Russia. In fact when he tried to get out of Russia, he was purposely run down by a KGB agent, who drove on the sidewalk in order to run him over. This is how he died and where his story begins.
I met a lady from Texas. I tried to leave the country many times. But I didnít have much help. This lady tried to help me and I got in big trouble with the KGB. I worked on ďidenotintriphosperĒ, it is a neuron transmitter in our brain. With the conjunction of "Oxitocin", I discovered several things.
I was an important scientist and KGB didnít want me to go so they decided to kill me. That is how I got into another dimension of my life.
I was standing on the sidewalk, ready to depart to NY, waiting for cab, when a car on the sidewalk hit me. I flew in the air 10 meters, and then the car ran over me. My friends and relative took me to the hospital. The hospital staff, friends of mine and 2 other professors declared me dead. On Friday night, they put me in the morgue, in the freezer.
Three days later, they took me out. So on Monday morning they began my autopsy. These 3 days of being out of my body, seeing everything that was happening around, seeing myself, my body, seeing my birth, my parents, my wife, my child, and my friends. I saw their thoughts. I saw what they were thinking, how their thoughts move from one dimension to another.
It was incredible experience. I was in darkness, total darkness. The darkness was pressing. This darkness existed not beyond, but it existed within. What I want say is that the darkness was pressing. And I was in the middle of this fear and I did not understand why and how this darkness existed. Where was I?.
I understood that I didnít have a body because I didnít feel it. Then I saw a light. I went through a little hole into that light. But the light was so powerful, so burning. You cannot compare it to anything. No words can explain it. The light was so burning, going through flesh. I didnít have a body. That was the most interesting part.
And I was scared of the light, I wanted to go into the shade to save myself from this light. What is that light? I donít know. It can be called the light of God, it can be called the light of Life. But light is light and darkness is darkness. As a psychiatrist and scientist, I did not think about that. The only thing was that I was in light.
We were not raised in Godís way. You know about the Soviet Union, we didnít go to church. There were people who went. But they were some kind of limited people. We thought they didnít know any better that there was no God. But those 3 days of being in the morgue, the freezer, changed all my life.
They begin the autopsy, and started to cut open my chest. That was the first incision, then I opened my eyes, and they saw that my pupils were convulsing, getting smaller. When they saw that my eyes were reacting to light they knew I was alive. They put me back to the hospital and began resuscitation.
My lungs were collapsed for a long time so I was put on a respirator for 90 days. My recover did not happened fast, but the life did came back. They discovered was that the life was there during the autopsy, but not all my organs were working. It was hard work for nine month being in recovery, it didnít happen immediately, but the life was there. But the doctors had to help me survive and help me to regenerate my health and organs.
When I came back to life, a lot of different experiences had happened. I experienced a lot of rejection, a lot of fighting with others. But nothing could change my mind, I knew my destination, I knew my way. I decided to leave the country, and this lady from Longview Texas helped me move to the United States. We went to Texas and continue to live there today.
Sometimes things are beyond our grasps.
But I donít try to explain it all because I know and I believe that God knows
better. I believe that I donít need to explain everything. But why
it was shown to me and why was I chosen? It was a question that I
honestly didnít care about. I care that I deeply believe in a God of love
and God is love. And I believe God created everything for betterness and
for an incredible future if we donít ruin it.
=== CPR Instructions ===
You unobstructed the airway by lifting the chin, pointing to the ceiling. This straightens out the windpipe. Then you close her nostrils so your air in her mouth will inflate her lungs. You give her 2 quick breaths. And see if her diaphragm rises. And if it rises, it is an unobstructed airway. But if it is still obstructed, you go back to give 2 more breaths and reach down into here mouth to unobstructed the airway. If her heart is not breathing, you determine that by not listening with your ear but feeling on the carotid artery pulse on either side of the Adamís apples, bom, bom, bom.
If you do not feel that, then after the 2 quick breaths, 2 inches above the xiphoid, either part of the breastbone, diaphragm, lower part of the breast bone, you plant the heal of one hand, supplemented with the heel of the other. Push your weight down on her.
This is the critical moment in life. If you can catch people before they die and give them the option of accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior, then they canít loose whether they live or die. That is with them forever. And when they die like this, we donít have to question where they went. And the preacher will be right when he says they are in Heaven. She went to heaven to be with God.
But for those who die on the street, where do they go? It is the ministerís fault, your fault and mine because we did not approach them with the Gospel which is the free gift to anyone that wants it.
=== Conclusion ===
All of these Hell experiences had one thing in common. Surprise! They didnít know there was such a place. Will you find it as surprise? Will I find it as surprise? Or will we be prepared? Hell is nothing new. It has always been there. These people just discovered that when they died and came back. They want to tell you about it.
Have you made the decision in your own life? Do you know if you died tonight that you will be with God in Heaven tomorrow? And remember the quote from Revelations 3:20, Behold I stand at the door and knock. God is knocking right now. If you hear me, open the door and I will come in. I WILL come in, not might come in, and fellowship with you and you with me. It means you come dirty, just like you are. He will fellowship with you and tell you how to clean up your life. And meanwhile in exchange, give you this free gift of eternal life with Jesus Christ because you are one of His. You are now a Christian.